Nutan's intelligence

Publié le 2 Juin 2015

Nutan's intelligence

This post is about a not so common cinematographic quality, intelligence. If people in general would agree that actors need a good understanding of their roles in order to act well, perhaps they’d also say they can just rely on what the directors tell them to do, and not take too much initiative. “We don't normally associate acting with high intelligence” says the writer of this post. He adds: “Actors are often not thought of as thinkers”. And he goes on to say that perhaps it’s because in their interviews they don’t usually shine all that much. True, we mostly have in mind actors from the cinema, and not so much from the stage. But there’s another reason. If you’re an actor, isn’t it true that you’re going to have to rely not so much on your brains as on your feelings? Nobody particularly wants a brainy actor: too much reflexion might even spoil the spontaneity needed to emote and share the character’s personality with the audience. There used to be an emphasis, some time ago, perhaps indeed coming from the theatre, that an actor needed to exert himself a great deal in order to “catch” his or her character, and this presumably needed a good mind: concentration, analysis, penetration, adaptation. But more and more recently another school has imposed its message, almost the opposite one: a good actor mustn’t think, he or she must feel, live, his or her role. It isn’t the work that counts, it’s the vibe, the experience life has given you outside. True enough, one has in mind the movie star, and if one compares even superficially a theatre actor with a film actor, we’d say the latter doesn’t need all the finesse which the former should possess.

Nutan's intelligence

Now naturally there are exceptions, and we are going to speak about one. But I’d like to add that what we call intelligence isn’t only about reasoning and mental potential. We all know there are many forms of intelligence; on top of the usual notion of intellectual or logical ability, you have social, spatial, musical, kinetic intelligence, among others. Certain people are good at grasping social interactions, others have a verbal dexterity which gives them an amazing headstart in political or managerial field. There’s also what I call emotional intelligence, which is a capacity for understanding one’s own and others’ emotional states and acting on them to either improve them or (it happens of course) manipulate them. Everybody feels this universal “language” of emotions, but some of us can better understand it and react to it. Practice helps, of course, but it’s a gift which some have and use, and others don’t know much about, or can’t use. The ability to understand this language, and the ability to work on it, form this specific type of intelligence. It can be used with a bad intention, and then it is devilish, because emotions are vulnerable in their “truth” and “innocence”. But when it is used for the benefit of everyone, it is divine, because it protects and boosts the power of our deeper selves. Some emotions are too strong: it anticipates and softens them by its far-sightedness and its patience. Some are fragile or hesitant: it gives them the importance and the value they deserve, and accompanies them to make people see why we should respect them.

Nutan's intelligence

Needless to say Nutan for me demonstrates all this. But first let me say that she wasn’t just emotionally brilliant; I also feel she possessed other forms of intelligence, of which I’m less certain about perhaps, but it is clear for example she was verbally and logically superior. And I have said this elsewhere, but she also had this specific form of social intelligence which enabled her to remain the strong, self-respecting public figure she was, and at the same time show herself to everyone, perhaps not intimately, but certainly very personally. In order to act, you have to give way to your inner resources and in this process become vulnerable and accessible. Especially if you are a woman! The male-dominated Indian society of the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s meant that actresses, I think, had to fight against an assumed “cheapification” of their persons which meant that men could come closer to them (or buy them off more easily) simply because they had accepted to be actresses. This situation probably hasn’t changed much; perhaps some actresses comply with the situation more while others have managed to get hold of their persona in a wiser way.

Nutan's intelligence

Choosing the films she was going to play in, choosing her roles also demonstrates some of the intelligence I am speaking about. And allowing herself to choose negative roles, or at least, not immediately recognized as positive ones, like in Sujata and Bandini, this too testifies to a form of understanding of what an artist should do. It’s clear Nutan saw herself as an artist, no only as an actress, and there’s a form of feminism here which comes from her clarity of mind: she isn’t reduced to being a woman, with all the conventions attached to it, but she sees herself first as a human being. In the book written about her by Lalitha Tamhane[1], she tells about how she had to accept what producers wanted her, when aged fifty, to look like. They asked her to whiten her hair because she was supposed to play a mother’s role. But she was fifty and her hair was naturally undyed: why artificially whiten it? Why couldn’t she remain natural? Everybody knows that some women keep natural coloured hair late, and others do not. The trouble was that producers thought she looked too young, and they wanted a clear-cut distinction between the mother-roles and the heroine roles. Forced to conform to stereotypes, but reflecting on their absurdity reveals what sort of person she was. She also explains that for one of her roles, she had to get up at night and so, to play this moment realistically, let loose her hair. But they wanted her to tie it in a bun, to look older, whereas no women with long hair, she explains, keep a bun at night! So to comply with what they asked, she decides to tie her hair in a loose bun, and as she walks to act, it becomes undone…This sets her wondering about how one can work with such conventional people, and demonstrates her unconventionality, her freedom of spirit and her independence of mind.


[1] The book is entitled Asen mi… Nasen mi. See here : http://indy.co.in/en/entertainment/2356-nutan-asen-mi-nasen-mi-.html

Nutan's intelligence

There’s also an important passage where she mentions that if in a troubled spot, “one should trust one’s intuition rather than one’s intellect”. She says she did this often, and that it saved her. She then goes on to reflect about other people, whose intelligence she has recognized to be greater than hers, and that she had much to learn compared to them. I won’t insist, but such humility and modesty characterizes the intelligence I am speaking about. Then there are her thoughts about God and the solitude she feels when caught in these thoughts. What if this world didn’t exist? she asks; and, surprised at her own questioning, she then mentions how close she comes to God while thinking in this way, and how so much above nature such a power of thinking puts all of us. Thus Nutan was indeed a sort of philosopher in her own way. Her sister Tanuja testifies to this ability.

Nutan's intelligence

Nutan insists one should prefer intuition to intellect: yet she does appear to be a “brainy” artist: is there a contradiction there? Intuition means a kind of direct understanding, a vision or a feeling of the truth which doesn’t need reasoning or analysis: it enables you to act immediately and properly, as if by a sixth sense. Some people say intuition is a woman’s sense, but I think men can have and use it just as well as women. It’s an ability that certainly must have been useful in her job, in order to feel quickly what to do, or to say, how to adapt the text she had learnt to the situation on the sets. When you act, you have to do this all the time: a slight modification of the position, of the situation, and the role needs a shift, an adjustment or a simplification, if you want to make the spectator understand the truth of the emotion played. The opposite, sticking steadfastly to a text in spite of everything, means you know nothing of the reality of the stage or the sets. And we have referred to the particular position in which an actress finds herself in the cinema industry, confronting other actors and actresses, directors, producers, etc. Certainly a good intuition of the stakes behind playing in India with the particular context of the period would have been important, but the cinema anywhere means physical closeness and a certain degree of intimacy which you have to accept, and which make relationships harder to control… For all this, a woman needs a sense of determination and courage if she doesn’t want to be crushed by the forces pressing all around. I don’t know much about the details of the famous slap which Nutan gave Sanjeev Kumar during the shooting of Devi (in 1970), but it’s probably an example of her keen appreciation of what happens only too often, and of her reactivity.

Nutan's intelligence

So Nutan’s insistence on intuition might well be the same thing as what we mentioned at first, this spontaneity, this command of the language of emotions and reactions without which you seem to recite a role rather than living it. I’d say her acting shows a remarkable capacity for response, a form of naturalness which we love because it’s immediately recognizable as genuine. As we said before, certain actors are more gifted than others in this field, and I think this is precisely what being intuitive means. One last thing: we know that Nutan was religious, from her childhood, and especially at the end of her life; she got interested in Satsang (check here too), which I understand is a certain type of gathering of people looking for spiritual truth. In the West, intelligence often runs the risk of being equated with rationality and logic (viz IQ tests), which has a tradition of being developed apart from religious interrogations. But I’m sure this isn’t the case in India, and to me Nutan’s growing quest to reach for understanding of the ultimate truth is coherent with her poetic and artistic qualities (she wrote bhajans, which I’ve never been able to read), her insistence of the importance of love in human relations (she says somewhere: “Love is the only truth”), as well as her overall brainpower as a person. When she died at 55, some people had started calling her their guru, a sign, I think, that she had started being ripe for teaching what during all her life she had been learning.

Happy Birthday Mrs Behl!

Nutan's intelligence

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sbasu 10/06/2015 08:30

BTW another interesting part- like I said of the Anari song- she lost for a moment concentration, last night in another song I saw the same thing..
carefully watch Sawan Ka Mahina - Milan- here too she missed for a small moment (from side view so I think the director didn't go for retake) -- Just before Sunil Dutt says Arrey baba Shor nahin Soor Soor, (she is about to laugh, aware of Sunil's irritated correction, but quickly corrects into serious face) That time it was Sunil's face and her just quarter profile, so not quickly caught.
These are some rare lapses, I have to finds a few more (now two). Others rarely act out the songs, or the songs (the tearful ones) are on single theme, so there is not much to be gained in catching up the error. I have observed that she had been physically quite comfortable and relaxed with Sunil and Dev Anand. Was it because both were perfect gentlemen and she knew that they won't take advantage? though she had mentioned Ashok and Balraj as her favourite co-stars.

sbasu 11/06/2015 04:48

Interesting to note that she was (or rather he was) on moons- either up or down since on screen she never went to it. And I am not speaking of her later image , when she would have been thoroughly rebuked- by the audiences, but earlier ones. Say Dilli Ka Thug- even in Bikini she didn't expose. In fact in the song CAT - she had been on one of her most glamourous look. So some times off screen she attempted? Might have, at that age, nothing too strange, at that age one would experiment. BTW she was quite into champagnes (at least)- in the book she had said at her first post-marriage birthday- she with Tanuja and her husband had finished the whole unconsumed champagne after every one left.
In Rome she had to be Roman (in France, French) so even if it is 18 in India, she would be non-adult the moment she entered France. (Had it been India, on this we could have put one PIL- public interest litigation- or through Right to Information - how she was permitted then, and then why one shouldn't now at say 15 (if at 21 legal, 18 was permitted, then at 18 legal 15 should be?). We have quite a few that type of guys here, who just for the heck of it file one.

yves 10/06/2015 21:49

Yes, she had just turned 18, since the festival was July 1st to 11th. But in those days, wasn't one a major only at 21? It used to be the case in France anyway until 1975 I think.
BTW, it wasn't Nutan who said "anybody would feel too hot when he sees two moons", but this Frenchman who explained the situation upon seeing her asleep after having drunk her glass. He was referring to some cinematographic trick which she had commented upon in the film they'd seen together, and perhaps applying the reference to the young woman after.

sbasu 10/06/2015 21:14

Locarno is quite high up isn't it? Watching moons there would have been problem. Nice/ Cannes may be, there anyway, considering the locations, quite more than some were visible. By the way, in Locarno, had she turned eighteen? Must have just, and immediately started taking advantage of the situation? This statement I don't know when she has said, (never heard of this particular memoir), but she could have said of the moons above too :-) they too are two moons. And quite often goes with the drinks, and if she has said "He sees"

yves 10/06/2015 17:11

Thanks Somak for all these interesting messages. I'm not surprised that you should say that the book is at odds here and there with reality or what other people remember: it's a very ordinary thing!
It's really a nice coincidence because I too was rewatching recently that passage in Milan where Sunil Dutt is teaching her how to pronounce Soor, and I had also noticed the slight self-conscious moment!
About Nutan and French, yes I had noticed of course that she had some command of the language.I have a document entitled "my most embarrassing moment, one sip too many" where she's writing about an episode which took place when she went to the film festival in Locarno in 1954, and she falls asleep after drunk some champagne. She says she understands the sentence "anybody would feel too hot when he sees two moons" - which I'm not sure if it wasn't said with a possible tongue-in-cheek, because moon (lune) has a common slang meaning!! So being hot when one sees two of them could also have made an innocent young girl swoon!

Anu Warrier 04/06/2015 15:17

Like Dustedoff, I think any good actor, who has to make his or her character and its motivations believable to the audience has to have a certain intelligence - not necessarily the conventional meaning of the word, but the ability to immerse himself or herself in the character so that what we are seeing on screen is not their real persona.

Nutan was definitely conventionally intelligent - she was well-read, articulate, multi-lingual, but to me, and to many others who have grown up watching her films, there was something else. I do not know if it is the emotional intelligence that Dustedoff speaks about, but it is definitely a capacity to feel what is not necessarily apparent in the written word, and to bring it alive in a way that even the script cannot essay.

yves 05/06/2015 11:21

Yes Anu, you're right: this capacity to feel what is implicit and to be able to bring it out because one has sensed it was there and the role needed it, I think this is what I was trying to say, this is the intelligence which I'm sure Nutan (and others) were lucky to possess.

dustedoff 04/06/2015 09:14

I read your post with a lot of interest, Yves. And agreed with nearly all of what you write. It seems to me, when you talk of emotional intelligence (which I am a firm believer in!), that any really good actor - not a hammy, melodramatic sort, but somebody who can actually convince you that they are whom they're portraying - would need to have a certain degree of EQ to be effective. I feel that in cases like Nutan or Waheeda Rehman, that EQ is very palpable. Perhaps that is what makes them such good actresses, and not just fluffy glamour pusses (though both have done their fair share of roles where they didn't need to do much acting).

yves 06/06/2015 11:32

Oh, there's bound to be many people in the profession who bestow at least some emotional intelligence, and as for men I'm sure one can count Naseeruddin Shah, Amitabh, and even SRK and Aamir Khan in the numbers. You see I've selected a list of contemporaries on purpose. The trouble perhaps is when gifted actors/actresses (perhaps influenced by their well-meaning directors?) tend to reduce or even mask this ability with conventional tricks or practices. This results in roles which are conventional as opposed to creatively original.

dustedoff 06/06/2015 05:26

Yes, Yves. I think that level of emotional intelligence is perhaps more readily seen in female actors - besides Nutan and Waheeda Rehman (whom I've already mentioned), I'd include Meena Kumari and Sharmila Tagore among the actresses who always strike me as having that... among the men, Balraj Sahni is one. Possibly also Dilip Kumar.

yves 05/06/2015 11:17

Hello Madhu and thanks for the message; yes you're certainly right about these other actresses: would you say that, beyond the cliché, female actresses show more of this EQ than male actors?

sbasu 04/06/2015 08:11

Which is the movie with black head scarf?

sbasu 05/06/2015 12:56

I am interested in the movies, not the posters :-) Get me the movies if you can. (And don't feel sorry, I don't think you can to give any boost to my 74). Some time in future, I will try to find by watching SKC again and see where this scene is taken from.
But one thing seems to be sure, some time or other the CDs had been released for some. Either VCD or DVD.. likely VCD. Since in one of the searches, in google-groups, some one had mentioned the availability, unfortunately the mail was of 2003 and the companies are untraceable. One interesting source seems to be this MM Videos.. who regularly uploads all missing Videos.. (BTW - they are pirates- video and actually too.. with some link with one of the infamous dons,. I forgot it was D or his rival, but being in Dubai has to be D).

yves 05/06/2015 10:58

Hell Sbasu,
This is a production photo for Sone ki Chidiya, in a group of several which were up for sale recently on ebay: you may still find them there if they haven't been sold (the whole bunch cost 100$!)

sbasu 04/06/2015 08:09

You know to be a good actor, one needs intelligence however that intelligence should not be misused to dominate the boss. It is like in any other work area. I definitely will like my subs as intelligent, able to improvise, but then he/she should be disciplined and be aware who is the boss. The director in this case, who has visualised the whole in a certain way. Most of our so-called intelligent actors (usually the male ones) had a habit of proxy directing the movie. That's where the degeneration comes in.
Nutan in this regards doesn't seem to have dominated. This is clear from a few aspect. She had, what she could, always chosen a good theme and strong role. That was her right, if she didn't like the story or role, she shouldn't be forced into.
However after that, you would see a lot of her movies had been messed by the directors, and that somehow indicates the non interference. The others mess trying to bolster their roles, but here that doesn't look to be the case.
She had always been honest with the part she had chosen/was given to her and had done good roles-act in un-watchable flicks. We sometime try to mix-up the intelligence of a person with the mis-use of it, she was intelligent, but not manipulator, at least as far I could see. And at least the Sanjeev Kumar episode shows, she hated that mentality.
You got a beautiful one from Heer - so you managed to watch the movie? It is when she was in the dungeon about to die... with husband being sent to arrange for coffin. Is it a DVD version? Here it is only in VCD (which of course I have) of Ultra, but the company catalogue doesn't talk of DVD - not even in Out of stock category. BTW- I am planning to go for a site- the screen and theme - I would like to call it screen design, but since you all call it theme I will stick to it. I am on the design is by trial and error, unable to land up in a nice theme, even in WP. May be I will get some one to design the webpage.
When one acts seriously with another, and tries to make it realistic- does one psychologically moulds oneself into it? While making love on screen, does one starts falling in love out of screen too? We see lot of pairing in off screen. Most, but not all are for publicity. Is it one of the reason, she avoided repeating the lead actor?
You might note that the married actors too are not very safe either, when affairs of hear comes in. Guru Dutt, Raj kapoor are the cases - where constant association on screen moved off screen too.
Nutan had an advantage (or she chose it to be like that) in her tender age, when the affairs of the heart could be overriding, her heroes were either newly married/ deeply in love (Nsasir Khan- Begum Para, Dev- Surraiya, Kalpana Kartik, Shammi- Geeta bali, and as I suppose more of a brother like to her? Kishore - madhubala...) or highly disciplined professionals (Ashok Kumar) or both (Sunil Dutt) - so she could have one sided crush, but not reciprocated off screen :-)
Others were non entities, some are quite strange to have been made heroes (Sajjan, Sekhar) or just one movie or two to work with, and that too with some gap.
I think it is when she was already mature, she must have been around or past 30, and Sanjeev was still mentally not so, that episode happened.
About her being misused, I fully agree. I have seen the movies even upto late 80s, where she had acted as young (without dies hairs) and then mother, it wasn't necessary to make one really look old. One can bring that by her sheer power, which I think the directors didn't realise. Just look at the actors elsewhere - even at 55-60 they essay the roles of main protagonists, without trying to look school-girl but neither trying to look senile. If you see Paradh (Anjaam is the hindi version).. of I think '85- she looks beautiful enough to be 30-35 - acting to be mother of a killed son of marriageable age (hence at least an 45-50 year old woman) - and she didn't die her hairs or try to look old. That's the way- the mother should have white hairs is what the directors think- even in a movie in early seventies- Maa aur Mamta- with Jeetender as son, she had to dye hairs.
I think I should get hold of the book- Since you are able to read it- it is translated in English too?

sbasu 10/06/2015 08:12

You must have seen one interesting thing of Nutan, in the memoirs, she was fluent in French. Not strange since she was there around 7-8 months and being intelligent, and assuming she has an aptitude for this, she would quickly pick it up. So had Tanuja during her sojourn. The interesting (and likely naughty thing is that they would, in the middle of crowd break into French.
That is a big tease, since in any Indian language, you won't be sure that there is not one of the native speakers around. But non-english euro languages, you could be quite confident, in gossiping of one, in his/her presence without him/her being even a bit aware of it, as far as you talk in il and elle. :-). And while in france, what was my own personal experience is, even despite the Alliance Francaise here, if the speakers talk fast, I won't get head or tail of it. I have to ask them to be slow. I assume that's what they must be doing to make themselves incomprehensible to others, may be even their chaperone (mom)? :-)

sbasu 09/06/2015 21:30

No veto from my side :-) Provided the vibes match. There might be Sadhana's fans there who might mind. BTW- Thanks. However there are certain inaccuracies in the memoirs. I don't know Nutan missed it, not likely though. The first post marriage movie was her husbands (1962- Soorat Aur Seerat). Now definitely the three 1963 movies would have been later than that. Considering S&S was by an amateur and Bandini (which is mentioned to be the first) was by one of the most professional team? There are quite a few others too. But I will overlook that (and not reinterpret her, Nutan's, statements- there are two perfectly opposite interpretations possible, as far as private life was considered. Both who knew, exactly, are no more. The third, Mohnish, would be knowing superficially, not being privy to, the bedroom talks. He might know the stress, the result, but not necessarily the cause. When I have a private friction with wife, definitely the children know of it happening, but if I am careful, not necessarily the exact reason.
Would one having problem in love life write "Love conquers everything?"
It is how we interpret.
Anyway I went through superficially, I will later munch it in detail. May be on some aspects analyse from my side. For that I don't have to quote her.
Interestingly there are certain contradictions in say Sobhana's interview in this and in cineplot- just check the statement of Shobhana, about the throwing off of the sucker. incident.

yves 09/06/2015 13:21

OK, thanks, yes, I mean to do a little post to attract the attention of those of my readers who are systematically warned by a new post, or maybe draft a newsletter to the same effect!

sbasu 09/06/2015 04:14

It is already in public domain (at least that's what yesterday the WP girl told me watching it while helping). And if you meant telling others? That's your prerogative. After all Nutan isn't our property, and we would love others too to adore her. Though there are not many fans, to be interested in, we are in rarity.. and endangered species, the WP girl has only heard of her (at lest she said, though I doubt that too) , not seen any movie.

yves 08/06/2015 23:37

So Somak, let me know when you have decided to make your blog public: as it is, I can't tell the difference!

yves 08/06/2015 22:35

Yes, thanks Somak, I have found the links, and I'm off to read your posts there!

sbasu 08/06/2015 14:49

Look at the menu- Nutan, it has sub menus- first is Movies, under which heer is listed.
Second is Musings (of course on her) where I am trying to (as per my theory) her evolution, major two parts are over - "Childhood" and "girlhood" upto say 1952.
Now with Aagosh, and Lila Majnu - more of a critical view (Shabab of course) I will go to pre-youth- that would take weeks- may be first a critical check, and then merging them.
The problem here, may not be with you, and not even in India most of the cities, is that we don't have OFC and all are through normal conductors, which love to screw us up at least chance.
OFCs would have isolated the electrical surge, I have sent two pictures on your mail. She is very lovely in this movie - though still no hourglass, a bit girlish in figure, but not so much in face, she was maturing already, in acting.

yves 08/06/2015 12:19

Your description of Internet difficulties remind me of what happened here too a few years ago, we would also have to think about switching off during storms, and occasionally still do, but the system must have been strengthened, and now everything is really stable.
Otherwise, I'm looking forward to reading what you have to say about Agosh, and I would love to see the pictures. Did I understand you well, and you have already put up something about Heer? But I couldn't find it on your blog http://nutan-bollymusings.com/
I'll be sending you the Nutan book by mail.

sbasu 08/06/2015 08:06

Yves- just watched Agosh- 1953 again after some times- She is beautiful in this- not as much as Seema or later - but she is- say sweet sixteen looking ? A woman but not yet. She was eighteen then- a late bloomer? Due to rapid growth in height, the body filled later? Acting prowess- just so so - knowing of her later stages, I could find the hints of things to come, But that would be knowing isn't it? At that stage people didn't fore-tell so I will say average actress with quite a few patches of not so average. With some extremely beautiful images- (full screen face) - I am planning to put Aagosh (heer is there already) on the blog.
Of course I have a technical problem- no going public of course I don't know- I think it has something to do with FTP (at least as per WP guides)
It is something more complicated- I live in a part of India first hit by monsoon- and, i am here from last year onwards, there seems to be not only lot of thunder-strikes, but atmospheric static too, at least in this zone (I hear chirping in window panes if the building isn't properly ground) - I couldn't believe my ears when I heard first- but after a few , I had to. But the effect- my internet adapter often goes. Earlier card used to go, so I have put an adaptor and feed into the USB port. That adaptor now works as system fuse. Yesterday within two days the second adaptor gone! and sunday we don't have a single shop (except eateries) to go and get a replacement. Anyway I will get one today, and may be contact to get public !

yves 06/06/2015 21:29

Yes, I'll definitely watch Heer one of these days. In fact, I had already started. I don't mind a sad ending!

sbasu 06/06/2015 20:14

Heer is already- story told in my area, I think you might have observed. And as I mentioned there, I don't find any technical error. Poor direction, making a mess like in Basant isn't there. Nutan is already in her full, almost, spectrum. And she (at 19) has the look of proverbial sweet sixteen. Extremely sweet songs- no reason of the flop- except I guess, a lot of time we don't like sad endings. But we must remember a later Heer Ranjhna - 1970- Raaj Kumar and Priya rajvansh, became super hit. That too of course was well directed (Chetan Anand, one of the top directors after the Gen-1's demise). I can only fondly hope that the villain looked too cruel and sneaky, and Nutan too sweet, innocent and vulnerable. Victory of the evil, and that too such an extreme evil might not have been accepted. You might note that it was third in sequence of such - Laila Majnu (1953), Shabab (1954) and this one 1956. All the three flopped. And subsequently next movies (at least the one I have) -- till Saraswati Chandra, none had her making any extreme sacrifice in the end. Even a movie like Manjil - in those times had a widow remarriage, with hero (Dev). Milan- on reincarnation they lived happily ever after. May be, who know? We don't like of course an innocent and beautiful girl like her being killed, even if it is on screen :-)

yves 06/06/2015 11:33

Yes I think rare movies or flops would be a good entry! I'd be quite interested to understand why these movies have been flops.

sbasu 06/06/2015 04:04

Heer is available only in VCD- and that too I think the 360P or 460P accuracy. Of course double disc, which makes it to be about 1.4G of .Dat File.
Most of these VCDs don't have subtitles, may be space doesn't allow the subtitling. Those envelope formats, .vob etc are big files, which I don't think can be accommodated in VCDs.

sbasu 06/06/2015 03:58

Thanks, in fact there are already couple of pages in the menu. May be another one would come then again thought gathering. May be I would concentrate on movies first, especially the ones that are big flops/ rare ones.
Thanks for the link, which I had missed, since this book is not listed anywhere, Amazon and others draw blank. And this one had another strange problem- it says no carriers available for my town. Let us see, sent him a mail on 'contact us'
The book I have heard had some very good photographs. So that with the translation would be nice.

yves 05/06/2015 21:56

Great! I've left a message on your first page, which, so far, looks quite nice. So let me know if and when you decide to publicize it. And as I wrote there, I sent you the address of the translator of the marathi book. You inquire about an address where you can buy it: I had given one in the main article section and it looks quite OK: http://indy.co.in/en/entertainment/2356-nutan-asen-mi-nasen-mi-.html

sbasu 05/06/2015 20:59

OK try out - the basic site at nutan-bollymusings.com,
I could, through trial and error finally create a menu and then position/organise the thoughts. You know it is more of a personal thought? Have a look and then decide of 'popularising' or keeping private between us, may be some bricks would be OK but not too many :-)
And the book, I would like to go through. I have heard there are some good photographs of her too in it. Does the e-version have them? However the interview of Gautam Rajyadhaksha in the cine-plot, 'Friend" was very lucid and more to our like. without adding colour.
may be because he was a photographer (I don't know you heard of him or not, he died in 2011 or so) an extremely in demand, and the actors/ wannabe/ models would like to be photographed by him. As I remember his love was in B&W and may be because of that he didn't colour his memoirs either?
Anyway I would love to have a look into how her friends thought of her too. Thanks. Did the book not do too well? I couldn't hit on web search for sellers.

sbasu 05/06/2015 13:04

Well, with only you in mind :-) my first post on it was (in even an ill looking piece on wordpress) - on Heer- I went for picturial story telling. After reading may be you could watch the movie, fortunately available on You. I have the VCD (no DVDs released, or is available in net or even with the licencee). Then I struggled for a few days through VLC to take the snap shots and then combine them.
The Youtube Heer, I think is full though normally they downgrade the pixels a bit. But still it should be OK. The Youtube version any way is from the unofficial. I think from one of the Pakistani/ Dubai sites,Fortunately since it is a flop movie, may be the licensee isn't asking to pull down?
There is another interesting part.. the tere Ghar Ke saamne DVD I have Vs the recent youtube songs- there is a huge quality different. This one seems to have been remastered. I always felt bad about that 1000W bulb on Balcony- the DVD Nutan is hazy. But this Youtube version has a crystal clear focussed Nutan. I think it is on 1080 pixel quality. (No subtitles though)

yves 05/06/2015 11:45

Thanks Sbasu for this long comment, which contains a very interesting piece of news: your own website coming soon! Trust me to make people hear about it! Normally one can modify the themes of the blog even after one has started it, so you might like to begin and ask what people say about the layout, and then modify this or that aspect!
No I haven't yet seen Heer, I had this photo, probably from a Youtube scene, but if you say it isn't yet out in DVD format, then it can't have been uploaded in full on the web, can it?
Lalitha Tamhane's book has been translated, yes, but the translation is private: if you send me a message on my email address (check the "Contact" tab at the top), I can direct you to the person who lent it to me (under condition not to quote whole passages of it) and she might give me permission to send it to you.