<![CDATA[Commentaires de l'article: Deewar: Cain and Abel revisited?]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#anchorComment Les 25 derniers commentaires publiés sur l'article "Deewar: Cain and Abel revisited?" du blog "Let's talk about Bollywood!" fr http://fdata.over-blog.net/0/54/22/42/avatar-blog-3793318-tmpphpU7wLbB.jpeg <![CDATA[Commentaires de l'article: Deewar: Cain and Abel revisited?]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#anchorComment Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:51:51 +0100 Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:51:51 +0100 Over-blog.com RSS 2.0 Engine Copyright 2012 www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com film reviews http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification/ <![CDATA[Commentaire de yves]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment76786413 Hello Suja,

Yes, what you say is most interesting (don't worry that you have wandered away from Deewar!), and indeed it presents Hinduism in a human-oriented way, if I may say so. The fact that it is evolutive also leaves room for progress and a future. So, if I follow you well, one might say that, even if the history of casteism is linked to Hinduism, Hinduism contains within its tenets the potential eradication of casteism.

]]> Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:54:41 +0100 b2ba8ceba5946f0ec3289940dbfc3241 <![CDATA[Commentaire de Suja]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment76631879 Yves, If you see my second last sentence, I am indeed questioning the very same thing - the adharma inherent not only in Hinduism but all the world religions; I am therefore asking whether they have a right to be called 'Dharma' in the current interpretation of the precepts. I believe that the basic precepts have been modified by men over time -  as it should be; stagnancy and blindly following rules written hundreds of years ago isn't logical. However the direction of change is not always good, is it? Thankfully Hinduism accepts many paths and a questioning adeherence to a philosophy rather than old rules is an acceptable path; so I do call myself a Hindu. However I have wandered far from Deewar :)

]]> Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:54:06 +0100 9a7bd5e53ae47273bd1109f4fe189649 <![CDATA[Commentaire de yves]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment76548678 No, this isn't at all what I wouldn't need to know! It's very interesting, because then how do you explain that "basic humanity" principle in a country where casteism has established itself for so long? Doesn't hinduism contain both the principle of Dharma and a justification of casteism?

]]> Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:28:04 +0100 78b44c1c8007862771e303ac40f6a23a <![CDATA[Commentaire de yves]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment76547003 Many thanks Suja for this valuable piece of advice. I'll locate the book and try to get it! Do you know how abridged it is? I mean, how much longer is the real poem?

]]> Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:52:33 +0100 2151c941e9cb300aabf2d7621b5fa630 <![CDATA[Commentaire de Suja]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment76427641 I just thought of something which may add to your understanding of Dharma. The word has two other meanings - Religion and Justice. It seems to me that the founders of this philosophy defined Religion as doing the right thing - the just thing, following the righteous path. And therefore they used these words interchangeably. But what if a religion prescribes what is not just, what is not righteous according to one's conscience? Then that cannot be called one's religion. A person's Dharma = Duty/Right Path = One's religion = Justice. If one's religion allows one to treat someone badly because of their birth, or because they are women, if our religion allows us to force or torture others to follow our ways, or treats who are not of the religion as less than equal, then basic humanity says that is not 'Dharma' (Just) and therefore not Dharma (religion).All this probably more than you want to know but I do not feel good giving incomplete answers, so I am writing this for my sake rather than yours :)

]]> Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:10:24 +0100 28f1ca218b32ce89240a4b5844144477 <![CDATA[Commentaire de Suja]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment76406479 Hmm...I think Dharma is a combination of things inherent and things which are learnt. 'A soldier's duty is to fight' advices Krishna, surely that's a learnt behaviour. Arjuna remains conflicted because, even if you know a path is the right one, its not always easy to follow it. I recommend that you read the Mahabharata as written for children by C.Rajagopalachari, it presents the story in a simple way and even as an adult I have found value in it as I can make the deeper inferences for myself. Here is the PDF http://www.gita-society.com/bhagavad-gita-section3/mahabharata.pdf  . In fact, I strongly recommend that you read it because both the Mahabharata and the Ramayana are inherent in the psyches of Indians (even the non Hindus). With your interest in Indian films, you will find it very interesting.

]]> Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:26:13 +0100 5c11b35f9d4eedebb844a0e3e03b2b8f <![CDATA[Commentaire de yves]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment76402733 Wow, well this was almost a post in itself! Many thanks for your long explanations, which I will have to re-read a third time to make sure I have understood.

I wonder if Dharma means duty, where this sense of duty comes from: is it inherent within ourselves like our instinct? Our nature? Or can it be educated? Your example of the mother seems to imply the first answer.

And about Arjuna, you say he remains conflicted: is that because he half disagreed with what Krishna told him? What if he had totally agreed? would he have incurred less karma debt?

Sorry for all these questions, which you're not obliged to answer!

 

]]> Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:48:35 +0100 268d6a9f81859a3084fbed37bda384cf <![CDATA[Commentaire de Suja]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment76364090 Ah Yves, you ask for the essence of Gita in one sentence ! People spend lifetimes studying this, you know? :) From my limited understanding, the word Karma in Karma Yoga means duty/work. Gita expounds on the path to salvation by doing one's duty. The Dharma of a mother with a small baby is to look after it. If she abandons it to go to a nighclub to party, none of us would hesitate in saying that she has failed her Dharma. If she found a good babysitter and then went nightclubbing, our opinions would be divided. If she went because she was to meet her best friend who was leaving next day to go to a war and may never return, our opinions may shift even more. But essentially, there is a right choice to be made in every situation. Choosing the right path is following one's dharma. Karma in the sense understood by most people, as the debits and credits resulting from past actions, sets the scene for the current choice, but Dharma determines which choice is right. One has the freedom to make the wrong choice of course, but this will result in karma debt. In short, past actions determine what choices are available to us at present, the present choice we make will determine future choices available. Thats very logical, no? At all times we have the freedom to act as we wish, but actions have consequences. Arjuna does follow the advice of Krishna and takes up arms against his cousins and uncles. He remains conflicted. Gita starts with the words 'Dharma Kshétré, Kuru kshétré' Kurukhsetra was the battle ground, the battle ground of Dharma-the-correct-path. Some say that the story of the Pandavas is an analogy, the 5 brothers being the 5 senses, their one wife being one's body, Krishna being the conscience, and their failings and strengths, the weaknesses and strengths of us human beings. And in earth-as-the-battleground, we humans need to fight against the pull of the five senses, and choose the right path to reach salvation.

P.S. I am not a student of religion or philosophy, so take everything i say with a pinch of salt :)

]]> Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:36:39 +0100 9128729e6ba1ac6f4e8cdc2a6faef514 <![CDATA[Commentaire de yves]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment76356297 Hello Suja,

Many thanks for this reminder of the Gita: I had heard about this famous speech by Krishna, but perhaps only after I had written the review of Deewar; so now that you have taken pains to explain it for me in detail, I can connect with it, and of course it must apply to Shashi's character in the film. BTW, in this philosophy, if the subject has a Dharma, a "karma" to follow, is he deprived of freedom? Does Arjuna freely accept what his Dharma asks him to do?

]]> Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:03:53 +0100 b23186821065e4d4ed4ae86f40ae9f1d <![CDATA[Commentaire de Suja]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment76348285 You have written this review quite a few years ago and may not be interested any more on my explanations re Arjuna, but if you are, this is what happened in Mahabharata. Arjuna is facing an army of his cousins, uncles and teachers. Krishna is his charioteer, and as an incarnation of God Vishnu, he speaks with God's voice. Arjuna has righteousness on his side, and his war is a just one but when he sees that he is pitted against his own family, he wants to give up. He thinks that his cause is not worth this destruction of his enemies who are also family. Then Krishna lectures him, and this lecture in 700 odd verses is called the Bhagavatgita, the most sacred of books for Hindus. And in this Krishna explains 'Karma Yoga', the path of righteous duty. Krishna advises him that he should do his duty, according to Dharma (righteousness) even when it means taking arms against family; he should not worry about the results, as the results are determined by God, not by us. A famous verse says 'Karmanyeva adhikarastu, na faleshu kadachana' - you have a right only over the act, never over the results (sorry, sounds inelegant but I am not a translator..). I think the parallelt to Deewar is that the police officer has a 'duty' , a  'dharma' which he must follow, even if it means he is in opposition to his brother. That is what the Bhagavat Gita advices all Hindus to do.

]]> Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:53:53 +0100 761270c24ff2ab715075997c024979d8 <![CDATA[Commentaire de yves]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment22252254 Deewar... I don't know if there are enough for another post, but I'll see!   Cheers,  yves]]> Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:41:59 +0100 af0a487ba62647c7df2738675cca07b3 <![CDATA[Commentaire de Daddy's Girl]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment22243208 Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:06:51 +0100 f225b4c7281a1f9fd5ea69d724715456 <![CDATA[Commentaire de yves]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment22220458 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:47:26 +0100 0a794bf2dcbb8881eaeeb304f0798aee <![CDATA[Commentaire de m]]> http://www.letstalkaboutbollywood.com/article-13780311-6.html#comment22216828 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:55:39 +0100 99d765d246825f797b7ab42578fcd4f7